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October 15, 2009

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Jon Husband

This is such good thinking, and an improvement over what was there for you to start noodling.

Nut .. but, but, but ... Earl, dang it, you are requiring people to think again, whereas they're so used to the "management buzzword" that is crossing-the-chasm that the deeper thinking you are describing would (likely) lose many, or ahelp them think "I don't want any of that, too messy, too hard".

Remember (why am I telling you sumpin' you know betterthan me) so many of "us" like things neatly compartmentalized, demarcated, categorized, measured, finished before starting again, etc. remember what we are up against.

Truly, I do appreciate the deeper thinking you have offered, and I am going to think on how to incorporate it in my thinking / articulation in a way that won't lose (too) many.

I'm probably being needlessly or (semi) consciously arrogant in deciding that lots would find your deeper and more accurate descriptions of less interest / pertinence than the familiar Moore-isms.

There's a book out there (little read) by Derrick de Kerckhove and Mark Federman titled "McLuhan For Managers - New Tools for New Thinking" that has a stellar sub-chapter on management buzzwords. Reading, thinking and understanding it deeply kept me awake for two days straight about three years ago.

Earl Mardle

Hah.

I just realised that the graphics that loaded were frigging well wrong. I'll fix.

I wonder if that will change the way Jon sees this.

Earl Mardle

OK, fixed the graphics, size was the issue.

Anyway Jon, I don't believe people are that closed off. I think part of it comes down to the usual consulting model of trying to simplify things for the audience which is a form both of disrespect and a way to keep the "special knowledge" they are paying for locked away.

As you also say, the Open Space model has never failed you. It depends on everyone there opening their intelligence to the world and engaging with it and its inhabitants in an adult way.

These are the same people for whom you try to simplify the model. The only thing that changes is your expectations of them.

Give them the benefit of the doubt, try it. But don't drop it in their laps, get them to build it for you.

Worst comes to worst, I'm only one hop away on Air NZ.

Jon Husband

I wonder if that will change the way Jon sees this.

Nope .. have often remarked on the regression to and reinstatement of old dominant model. (I think) I'd argue, for example, that whilst in the middle somewhere of the transition(s) being offered to us by all the interconnectdness and interactivity, there has (as a generality) been a regression in many instances to more hierarchy as a response to increased complexity


As you also say, the Open Space model has never failed you. It depends on everyone there opening their intelligence to the world and engaging with it and its inhabitants in an adult way.

These are the same people for whom you try to simplify the model. The only thing that changes is your expectations of them.

Give them the benefit of the doubt, try it. But don't drop it in their laps, get them to build it for you.

Yes indeed ...

Worst comes to worst, I'm only one hop away on Air NZ

Noted ... Mr. Fix-it ;-)

Jon Husband

Give them the benefit of the doubt, try it. But don't drop it in their laps, get them to build it for you.

You meant "get them to build it for themselves", didn't you ?

Earl Mardle

Jon.

Aye. Nice catch.

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